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HIV is unrelated to AIDS
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Quote: from guitarist451 at 5:11 pm on April 5, 2008

They say that HIV attacks and kills the T-cells but it cannot kill nearly enough T-cells to do harm and the cells regenerate at an extremely faster rate than they are killed off.

Evidence? Source?

This is a common misconception that you've fallen for; hook, line and sinker.


Techniques such as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) have enabled scientists to demonstrate that a much larger proportion of CD4+ T cells are infected than previously realized, particularly in lymphoid tissues. Robert Gallo, a preeminent HIV virologist, suggests that as many as 3% of CD4+ T cells show signs of HIV invasion. Macrophages and other cell types are also infected with HIV and serve as reservoirs for the virus.

Although the fraction of CD4+ T cells that is infected with HIV at any given time is never high (only a small subset of activated cells serve as ideal targets of infection), several groups have shown that rapid cycles of death of infected cells and infection of new target cells occur throughout the course of disease.

Furthermore, like other viruses, HIV is able to suppress the immune system by secreting proteins that interfere with it. For example, HIV's coat protein, gp120, sheds from viral particles and binds to the CD4 receptors of otherwise healthy T cells; this interferes with the normal function of these signalling receptors. Another HIV protein, Tat, has been demonstrated to suppress T cell activity. This behavior is not significantly different in quality from, say, the influenza viruses, which are well-known to secrete immunosuppressive proteins which can slow down the antiviral immune response.

Infected lymphocytes express the Fas ligand, a cell-surface protein that triggers the death of neighboring uninfected T cells expressing the Fas receptor. This "bystander killing" effect shows that great harm can be caused to the immune system even with a limited number of infected cells.


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I don't even need to argue I'm not 100% on this but I have seen nothing that really sways my stance on it so unless you present me with something I'm gonna believe what I believe.

So you believe this theory with no evidence to support it. Great. What an honourable cause, putting lives in danger to suit yourself.


If I test HIV positive I'm not going to worry about it.

In that case there is a very high chance that you will die of AIDS.

Post edited at 9:23 am on April 5, 2008 by The Samsoniteman

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azt is putting lives in danger much more than testing positive for hiv and simply living healthily without taking dangerous drugs. wait and see in a few years or decades we'll see what the real deal is.

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Guitarist, you are one flat-out stupid son of a bitch.

"LOL science doesn't know anything. I, mighty internet retard teen, will skim over fourth-hand data I find on the websites of deluded morons and will therefore have the knowledge sufficient to challenge the findings of people who professionally study HIV with state of the art equipment and procedures."

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HIV/AIDS was created by the government in the 1950s to kill off homosexuals and black people. That 'virus' has no natural cure, and did not come from this earth =P

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Quote: from boy4boy15 at 4:32 am on April 6, 2008

HIV/AIDS was created by the government in the 1950s to kill off homosexuals and black people. That 'virus' has no natural cure, and did not come from this earth =P

What on earth? I've never actually heard anything so ridiculous.

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Quote: from Nikki at 3:50 am on April 6, 2008

Quote: from boy4boy15 at 4:32 am on April 6, 2008

HIV/AIDS was created by the government in the 1950s to kill off homosexuals and black people. That 'virus' has no natural cure, and did not come from this earth =P

What on earth? I've never actually heard anything so ridiculous.


It's more believable than the OP.

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Quote: from guitarist451 at 12:45 pm on April 5, 2008

azt is putting lives in danger much more than testing positive for hiv and simply living healthily without taking dangerous drugs. wait and see in a few years or decades we'll see what the real deal is.

I encourage you to read this article on Wikipedia (it cites a large number of sources).

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Quote: from Khadgar at 6:22 pm on April 6, 2008

Quote: from Nikki at 3:50 am on April 6, 2008

Quote: from boy4boy15 at 4:32 am on April 6, 2008

HIV/AIDS was created by the government in the 1950s to kill off homosexuals and black people. That 'virus' has no natural cure, and did not come from this earth =P
 

 What on earth? I've never actually heard anything so ridiculous.


It's more believable than the OP.

The sad thing is, you do have a point.

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What a coincidence it is that so many babies born with AIDS have mothers with it.

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